Back in 1997, Bartomeu Marí curated Pierre Bismuth’s first solo exhibition at Witte de With Contemporary Art Centre in Rotterdam. The city was then a vital hub for contemporary art practices and the exhibition consecrated Bismuth’s work on an international scale. This conversation aimed at retracing the evolution of the artist’s practice, while it also functioned as an occasion to more generally linger on the changes that interested contemporary art production and criticism from the late 1990s until today.